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Post by huillaume on Jul 9, 2021 14:26:12 GMT
I never tolda bout free services, jsut a discount...
And, in any case, as I said, those services (marriages, baptisms, funerals, etc) are not used too often (unlike confessor of attending church), so effect would be scarce, being most a RPG matter with sporadic effect.
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Post by Ymbert Montgomery on Jul 9, 2021 14:58:04 GMT
Yeah, I was replying to both you and Lechat at the same time; he suggested free services!
I'm not against the discount idea; I just wonder if RFG and KM need beefing up for reasons of fairness if that's put in.
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Post by huillaume on Jul 9, 2021 15:57:20 GMT
I just wonder if RFG and KM need beefing up for reasons of fairness if that's put in. I don't see it necessary (and I would be one of the beneifted by it )... They already have some now: aside from a bnus to be the King's Champion, they have the occasional possibility to go to war with a good general (the King). While this may be rare ocasions, I guess it will occur more often than the need for those Church services
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Post by Ymbert Montgomery on Jul 9, 2021 16:14:39 GMT
Other question is, if this is the case, should it be implemented quickly so Arnold benefits.
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Post by huillaume on Jul 9, 2021 16:17:37 GMT
Other question is, if this is the case, should it be implemented quickly so Arnold benefits. That's up to you, though we don't use to implement those changes the same month (though some advantage could be in order ,as he's the Commander of the CG)...
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Post by lechat on Jul 18, 2021 13:22:36 GMT
Im going to cut my own throat, and say that GC going up a level even with NMR points to system being skewed a little if there is only one active priest, especially since he has enough SP left over to ensure this keeps on happening for several turns to come, even with minimal input.
So, currently GC has confessions from a combined SL of more than 100, and gets SPs each turn of this amount divided by 12. That's not even everyone in the game, I was already uneasy about receiving so much SP without even pressing the few who don't confess to join the list. And this amount will only grow, every two or three months there's a combined SL increase of more than 12.
Now I don't want to break the dynamics if there is another active priest sharing this benefit, and i don't want to cap the number of confessions, as writing to everyone to get them was an important part of me settling into the game. So all i can suggest is perhaps a cap on total SP gained based on the priests rank? I did think, when GC was SL4 but receiving 8sp per month from confessions it would have less importance the further he rose, but it isn't slowing yet.
The other factor i see from GC's skewed rise, not strictly an ecclesiastical rule, is that a poor priest was able to take a loan for four hundred, buy two horses, and gets 5 SP a month for a tiny amount in stable fees. If he had taken the winning from a horse race instead of donating to the Novembrists it works out as a ridiculously cheap way to purchase SPs, so i dont know if people view that as luck at auction and winning a race, or if (horse price and stabling costs) need tweaked.
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Post by lechat on Jul 18, 2021 17:57:30 GMT
I'm sure Sam saw this one coming, and its just a rumination for people to comment on.
Regimental chaplains. Given how ridiculously easy it is for junior priests to climb in SL, and rank, game wise its only a brief period of eligibility before players promote themselves out of contention. May I ask that it be considered that a player retains the regimental priest role on promotion above Curate, and is allowed to renew it once a year, perhaps until they attain Bishop or higher? The attendant SPs aren't an issue here, and could even be removed, but there is the pay. How does this situation compare to - for instance, junior officers and the availability of aide positions at different ranks?
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Post by Ymbert Montgomery on Jul 18, 2021 19:29:16 GMT
This is a really complex one (although you're not the first character to have built up such a surplus that NMR carried you up another SL).
The big issue here is, as you've spotted, is that it's a set of rules written for multiple clergy when we (in reality) only have one active one!
And that's what's breaking it.
As you can tell, this is much less overpowered with several priests competing. At that point, it's balanced out by not being able to get the SP for mistresses or ConCon. (And as you've seen recently, getting accommodation above your rank is another one that can get priests into a lot of trouble!) I think there's a case to be made for carriages as well.
I agree with not breaking the dynamic. (And I obviously don't want to have to put in new rules again if we get another priest!).
I'm not sure that a cap on confessions is a bad idea though.
Essentially, you joined when there were no other clergy. Would it have had the same "settling" effect if another priest had all the confessions already sown up?
Rather than a SP cap I'm tempted to put a cap on the number of confesses, leading to more competition for the top SLs but making it unlikely someone gets a monopoly. (The other option is that people need a confessor whose SL is closer to their own. I'm more reluctant to put that in, simply because it could reduce PC interaction rather than increase it).
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Post by lechat on Jul 23, 2021 18:01:08 GMT
Just a rumination again, and probably more a request for opinions on how to play rather than anything about rule changes.
So, the SP for confessions is having a remarkable lesser effect the further above the sp gained GC gets as he rises in SL. Also, he's not wealthy. If I was playing a military character this is about the stage i'd be sending him on campaign to gain MiDs and loot for future use (And pensions and estates in my dreams).
So question? What's the loot drop like in a military campaign if GC could get one of the Kings Guard to volunteer on campaign and he accompanied (yes i know its half for a priest)? is he allowed to even do so and if so, is it influence the junior officer to volunteer, or would he need to influence the colonel to allow it?
GC will almost certainly apply to an archbishop to go on a mission if he does need to leave Paris, just want to be clear on the best option for the financial gain, and it also depends on if he could keep his regimental chaplaincy on promotion to Abbe I suppose. Plus I guess he wants a shiny medal to show off to Dr De'Ath with
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Post by Jacques Bougiedure on Jul 23, 2021 19:44:37 GMT
The Personal Outcome Tables are from the original game. A *.pdf file with all of the table from the original game is available at www.engarde.co.uk/useful.html. The Personal Outcome Tables are located on page 2. The commander's Battle Result is the main variable but there are modifiers based on rank, regiment, and the commander's focus (i.e. loot). GC's chance of gaining loot in the RFG, assuming his commander's MA is 5, would be around 48% for all but field operations which would have a 65%. Chances increase if GC opts for conspicuous gallantry. JBO plans to announce another expedition departing in June, assuming he can do so before the March expedition returns. I was thinking of a shorter expedition to England/Holland but could be talked into longer one.
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Post by lechat on Jul 23, 2021 20:23:16 GMT
Thanks Garrett, clergy mission tables seem fair enough in comparison to the army ones so I wont give Sam headaches.
And unfortunately, I don't think Jesuits are allowed a mission to England. Is straight 12 rolls for D/M/L/P anyway on missions to England, GC likes the 12 death roll, but probably wants better for everything else.
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Post by Ymbert Montgomery on Jul 24, 2021 0:19:36 GMT
Just a rumination again, and probably more a request for opinions on how to play rather than anything about rule changes. So, the SP for confessions is having a remarkable lesser effect the further above the sp gained GC gets as he rises in SL. Also, he's not wealthy. If I was playing a military character this is about the stage i'd be sending him on campaign to gain MiDs and loot for future use (And pensions and estates in my dreams).
The more I look at it the more I think a cap of three PC confessees is the correct one. It keeps some competition, but doesn't allow you to get everyone. You'll still have an advantage from being the only active clergy but that's unavoidable!
It depends on the type of operation and the battle result. Generally, Siege and Assault are best for loot, defense is worse. However, you wouldn't be allowed to go with part of the regiment; you're the regimental chaplain after all! (This does mean you'll go automatically if the King decides to go to the Front again however). GC will almost certainly apply to an archbishop to go on a mission if he does need to leave Paris, just want to be clear on the best option for the financial gain, and it also depends on if he could keep his regimental chaplaincy on promotion to Abbe I suppose. Plus I guess he wants a shiny medal to show off to Dr De'Ath with You can't keep regimental chaplain as an Abbe, but you can apply for Army Chaplain. Having looked into the history of it, from what I can find, chaplains are allowed medals. (Although the Subaltern mods make the bravery needed rather dangerous!)
Yeah, my view on missions is they maybe need a bit of firming up with things like how promotion works, but generally they're pretty solid mechanically.
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Post by lechat on Jul 24, 2021 1:23:53 GMT
Three would have made it fairer on the others when GC started as a level four character Sam, it took him some time to get the higher level players as confessions. Although, It also doesn't particularly affect him badly now he's a much higher level, he can still manage 6 sp a turn just from some of high end players, especially given one is in the Cardinals guard, if you cap it.
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Post by Ymbert Montgomery on Jul 24, 2021 1:41:06 GMT
I think the problem we keep coming back to is that balancing isn't really possible with one priest.
Although I will say that 6 SP isn't necessarily that outrageous considering your other restrictions.
A Beautiful mistress 5 or 6 SLs above the PC is 5 SP. (Monsieur Balls currently gets 7 from Johi, but she's extremely high maintenance!)
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Post by Ymbert Montgomery on Aug 6, 2021 22:24:24 GMT
As a lot of these will be smallish changes I'll update them here as I go through.
Any PC with a starting SL of 3+ can now start as an ordained priest.
Study time to become a priest has been reduced to 12 weeks. A month at the monastery counts as 6 weeks.
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