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Post by gaston on Jul 5, 2020 9:30:55 GMT
> Is the Week 3 open to commoners? Only to those eligible to attend Court, I expect (which includes those about to be confirmed in their knighthoods and receive their estates, together with their ladies, of course). > Are they hiring musicians? 35.9 Musicians with an ability of 7 or better have the chance of being invited to play at any Royal Grand Ball with the Royal Musician (always in attendance) (6 on a die 6 with a +DM of (Musical Ability - 7)). That's a very good point. Although Gaston will be King to all intents and purposes (' The King is dead. Long Live the King!'), his coronation will make him 'Anointed by God' - like the difference between 'living in sin' and being married ;-) So, maybe the Church service in week 1 of October could actually be the funeral of King Louis so that King Gaston's (and Queen Louisa's? We really could do with a firm ruling on that) Coronation could take place in December, say ? As an aside, French kings were buried in the Abbey Church of St.Denis, north of Paris (a long walk for peasants so probably to keep them away, though it is still in the Isle de France). Maybe a horse or a seat in a carriage should be necessary to attend ? Coronations were actually staged in Reims - in Champagne (now in Picardy, of course) - which means that even more Parisian Peasants could be kept at bay. (Probably made the alms giving a lot cheaper ). This means that Canon de la Bassée's position could become even more important (or at least provide the opportunity for Royal Favour).
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Post by Ymbert Montgomery on Jul 5, 2020 16:09:57 GMT
So, maybe the Church service in week 1 of October could actually be the funeral of King Louis so that King Gaston's (and Queen Louisa's? We really could do with a firm ruling on that) Coronation could take place in December, say ? That works I think, although titling ceremonies should really still be week 3; don't want to put that off too long! Tempting, but the whole point of that event is to give people not eligible for court something to attend! Making them buy a horse takes away from that and just means I'm then doing lots of horse sales the month after. On the Queen, would it break people's suspension of disbelief too much if we pretended the "Princess Louisa" bit wasn't in the rules (she's never come into the game so far) and changed it to: I quite like how it makes the world more "living" without needing lots of bookkeeping.
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Post by gaston on Jul 5, 2020 16:47:42 GMT
Oh, absolutely. The new King is still King, even if he hasn't been officially crowned yet. Well, there'll be more than enough spare seats in the coaches which characters (including Charles Champ and Claud d'Applaud) already have. St.Denis is now actually in Paris, so it wouldn't be too much of stretch for dedicated peasants to get there on foot at a pinch... OK, but could we say that Dowager Queen Anne continues to make the Queen's appointments until the new Queen is established? Otherwise there'll be no-one to make them. And some alternative persona should be decided for Princesse Louisa (who has her own ladies in waiting to appoint). An extra, unmarried, sister of Louis XIII and Gaston perhaps ? Could even add her the to top of the Mistresses Table ?
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Post by huillaume on Jul 6, 2020 11:02:13 GMT
So, maybe the Church service in week 1 of October could actually be the funeral of King Louis so that King Gaston's (and Queen Louisa's? We really could do with a firm ruling on that) Coronation could take place in December, say ? Frankly, I find logical the first week this month the ceremony could be the Kings funeral, but I'd put the coronation on November (even if the last week), not in December. Interregnums are not good for stability (less so if the King's demise is suspicious), and they are usually tried to keep as short as possible (though some time is needed, sure, more so when communications lag was longer). ]I've lived (IRL) through 2 Coronations: - Juan Carlos I took office just 2 days after Franco's death, though this time it was an expected death, and so all was ready (internally and externally), and communications were quite quicker than in XVII century, but the risk of unstability was high, and I guess this sped it.
- Philip VI took office 5 days after his father abdication (but 17 days after his father announced it). This time, things were not so ready (even an ad hoc law had to be passed), as the abdication was not so expected, and risk for unstability quite lower, but communications (mostly for foreign Royals attending) where quicker yet.
Of course, communications speed makes they hardly comparable, but show how quick things use to go in those cases, and I guess it could be organized by 3 rd or 4 th week in November.
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Post by huillaume on Jul 6, 2020 11:12:05 GMT
When looking for the Coronation date of Philip IV, I found it as March 31st 1621. This would put it the same day as Philip III daath...
Of course, in this case the death was also foreseen (he'd beein ill for long time), and risk of ustability also high, but I frankly did not expect it so quick...
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Post by Father William Souris on Jul 6, 2020 11:42:08 GMT
Wiki says he reigned from 31st March but Coronation was 29th May and as a succession crisis was in effect, I would think that was as soon as possible.
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Post by Valerie Valanon on Jul 6, 2020 12:11:00 GMT
Frankly, I find logical the first week this month the ceremony could be the Kings funeral, but I'd put the coronation on November (even if the last week), not in December. Interregnums are not good for stability (less so if the King's demise is suspicious), and they are usually tried to keep as short as possible (though some time is needed, sure, more so when communications lag was longer). ]I've lived (IRL) through 2 Coronations: - Juan Carlos I took office just 2 days after Franco's death, though this time it was an expected death, and so all was ready (internally and externally), and communications were quite quicker than in XVII century, but the risk of unstability was high, and I guess this sped it.
- Philip VI took office 5 days after his father abdication (but 17 days after his father announced it). This time, things were not so ready (even an ad hoc law had to be passed), as the abdication was not so expected, and risk for unstability quite lower, but communications (mostly for foreign Royals attending) where quicker yet.
Of course, communications speed makes they hardly comparable, but show how quick things use to go in those cases, and I guess it could be organized by 3 rd or 4 th week in November. Although I don´t think, that a coronation in the 20th or 21st century is comparable to a coronation in the 17th century, there are other examples with a longer time between accession to the throne and the coronation. The coronation of Queen Elizabeth II for example took place some 16 months after her accession to the throne. To give an example of the 19th century, between Queen Victoria´s accession and coronation elapsed more than a whole year. And with the accession of Gaston we do not have an interregnum, since the succession of Louis XIII. isn´t in question.
Another reason for a certain time between the funeral of the late monarch and the coronation of a new monarch is the period of mourning. A coronation usually is a festive occasion, including a happy celebration of the new monarch. I don´t think that a period of mourning should be a year, as it is the formal custom for example after the death of a spouse. But a period of not even two months strikes me a litttle short and ignoble.
A coronation in early 1632 should give enough time to mourn for Louis XIII. and also enough time for royalties of other countries to visit the coronation ceremony. And by the way, during the period of mourning Gaston could climb up himself to SL 30. Just as a second thought.
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Post by huillaume on Jul 6, 2020 12:17:22 GMT
Wiki says he reigned from 31st March but Coronation was 29th May and as a succession crisis was in effect, I would think that was as soon as possible. While I find more logical the dates you say, I didn't find the Coronation date in wiki (and I looked for it in Catalan, Spanish, English and French)... I didn't find the coronation date either in various biographic articles... As I don't doubt you, could you please tell me where did you find the reference (so I could see where my error was)? Even so, the equivalent would be 4 th week November...
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Post by Father William Souris on Jul 6, 2020 12:39:01 GMT
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Post by huillaume on Jul 6, 2020 14:53:24 GMT
Mid-Term effects this might have (IMHO):
If the King's death is not seen as natural causes: If another power is believed to be behind, there will be (probably from spring on) an increase of HL in the bordering provinces. Even would be possible the King could take the command in a campaign "to avenge his brother". Natinal unrest might decrease as people rallies against those foreign murderers.
If the evidence is dubious and/or people believes Gaston is behind Louis death, the above situation might also arise, as Gaston tries to divert attention and claim another's reposibility, but unrest would probably increase.
Additional:
Reviewing the list of French monarchs, I saw no Gaton among them, so he will reign under the name of Gaston I.
The King could be more likely to visit the provinces (mostly in non winter months), not unlike medieval king's progress, as he assumes the office and presents himself to local nobilities.
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