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Post by huillaume on Feb 7, 2022 4:27:41 GMT
New little fun rule I'm implementing. Any son of a duke has a 1 in 6 chance of being the son of an archduke. This is very statistically unlikely. Just one comment about that: AFAIK (and after looking for them in wikipedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_French_peerages) there have not been Archdukes in France (although I'vefound some reference to the Archduchy of Rheims, it was under its Archbishop). Ok, as most people seem vaguely in favour I'm going to implement this as part of next turn. One more rule. Maximum SP carryover is 2xSL. Note that this is unlikely to be hit, it's to stop people at the cap getting scores in the hundreds! As there have been appearing many suggerences here, what are you exactly going to impememt?
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Post by dumain on Feb 7, 2022 7:18:29 GMT
Since characters that exceed the king in SL will lose SPs by toadying to his majesty perhaps his majesty could require a bit of toadying from them each month as a gesture of respect. If not directly to his majesty then to the Dauphin which should cost more SPs. Perhaps applying a penalty for extremely high SL when applying for posts directly appointed by the king to reflect the kings reluctance to appoint a rival.
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Post by Monique Adelina De'Ath on Feb 7, 2022 7:43:48 GMT
I've no problem with the proposed changes, it doesn't directly affect my character who is still some way off of the lofty heights of SL 20+ !
However, should I ever find myself in such a position as the highest 3 characters in the game then I see the sense / logic in the proposals that have been mentioned / listed and am happy to go with the consensus flow of other players.
The building in of retired characters to the Grandees list is a particularly fine proposal as that stands as a legacy to a successful character, one who has been present as a prominent figure during the course of the game, and it is both a fitting 'reward' for the player to see their character continue in some form as well as in keeping within the game that they are still around and merit mention from time to time, either as a patron, a Play sponsor etc etc.
There can also be a write up for a suitable 'exit' for their character, to herald their retirement, and that is appealing as - per Sam's comment in the chain above - it sets the scene for them.
I'd best get working on mine now......I can see it now....in the grounds of a lavish garden, on a vast country estate, there, under a large canopy, sits a huge pudding of a man relaxing on a fine, expensive, chaise longue. Surrounding him are various servants, pretty young women and an array of trays and dishes bearing a selection of exquisite foods.
"Serf....yes, you man...more wine and some of that fine cheese and ham there....hurry man, I've not got all day or do you want another flogging for your slackness"!
A smile rose on the face of Lord, Comte, Chevalier, Arch Duke etc etc De'Ath, for it was none other than he, as he contemplated the luxury of his surroundings. "Hmmh....not bad he thought, for the son of a mediocre gentleman, to have risen to where he had, and all thanks to his own ingenuity and skills. Looking back he mulled over his memories for a moment or two and then broke out into laughter as he recalled how things had all really taken off for him after he secured the position of Public Safety Commissioner and, in a shock move, pulled off the successful arrest and prosecution of the very Minister of State who'd appointed him thereby securing that post too and making him both Prosecutor and Judge in the lighting series of high profile treason trials that soon followed. A masterstroke, he thought, having got rid of those above him it was he who became France's most prominent non-royal noble...now if only he could get rid of his last obstacle to the ultimate goal...oh yes...he could see it now....the King is dead, long live the King....King Anton!
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Post by Father William Souris on Feb 7, 2022 10:46:34 GMT
Ok, as most people seem vaguely in favour I'm going to implement this as part of next turn. One more rule. Maximum SP carryover is 2xSL. Note that this is unlikely to be hit, it's to stop people at the cap getting scores in the hundreds! New SL or Old SL?
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Post by Ymbert Montgomery on Feb 7, 2022 11:16:23 GMT
Ok, as most people seem vaguely in favour I'm going to implement this as part of next turn. One more rule. Maximum SP carryover is 2xSL. Note that this is unlikely to be hit, it's to stop people at the cap getting scores in the hundreds! New SL or Old SL? New SL I think.
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Post by Father William Souris on Feb 7, 2022 13:36:26 GMT
This turn with one Christening, one Party and church visits Hans would just reach the limit, had it been current SL. New SL seems more sensible...
Also not quite managed to raise the SL of Mistress... again!
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Post by Ymbert Montgomery on Feb 7, 2022 13:38:49 GMT
Just one comment about that: AFAIK (and after looking for them in wikipedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_French_peerages) there have not been Archdukes in France (although I'vefound some reference to the Archduchy of Rheims, it was under its Archbishop). Were there Grand Dukes? If not, I think we can consider it an honorary rather than historical title! Full list. To try and get things under control, you, RA and JBO are all losing 3 SL or being reduced to the minimum for your titles, whichever is higher. In exchange you can have 5 MRIs or +1 to the next attempt (including secondary titles). At SL 20 or above it costs more to maintain (3x) or improve (5x) your SL.
You can only carry over 2 x current SL in SP.
There is now a cap on SL depending on rank. Min SL New SL Max SL Chevalier 6 10 14 Baron 8 12 16 Viscomte 10 14 18 Comte 12 16 20 Marquis 14 18 22 Duc 16 20 24 Grand Duc 18 22 26
However, it's a soft cap. (I only just came up with this one!) You can improve your SL from there, but it costs 6x your SL or 8x if you're at SL 20+, so very difficult indeed! (So this does allow for highly important commoners, it's just unlikely).
Merchants are no longer stopped from being nobility. AUB gets the choices between staying where he is (difficult to rise from) or dropping 2 SLs and getting the MRIs. Anybody who has hit their cap has the option of retiring the character and having me craft them a new one (rather than rolling it randomly). That's entirely optional but will also involve them consulting with me about their old character's retirement etc. Anybody of SL 20 or higher becomes a NPC grandee unless their player specifically requests otherwise.
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Post by Ymbert Montgomery on Feb 7, 2022 13:40:00 GMT
I've no problem with the proposed changes, it doesn't directly affect my character who is still some way off of the lofty heights of SL 20+ ! I hate to be the bearer of bad news but you may want to read the new cap rules as you're close to being affected by that.
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Post by Monique Adelina De'Ath on Feb 7, 2022 13:46:55 GMT
I've no problem with the proposed changes, it doesn't directly affect my character who is still some way off of the lofty heights of SL 20+ ! I hate to be the bearer of bad news but you may want to read the new cap rules as you're close to being affected by that. Doh....me and my rash statements!! Retire good old Bastian....outrageous....he still has so much to achieve, especially that CPS post, oh and MoS as well and Kings Physician plus, plus...Emperor of the whole wide world! However, fair point and thanks for pointing out the oversight on my part.
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Post by vinlander on Feb 7, 2022 14:42:51 GMT
Since I am several levels below the highest players in the game, any changes will affect me many turns from now if they ever do.
That said, I think there is something to be said for higher SL players risking Royal Displeasure -- the closer one gets to His Majesty's SL, the more he may take one to be a threat. In Man in the Iron Mask, Colbert built a fortress/palace for himself (having embezzled the money), and the king winds up confiscating it. There are all sorts of things that could be added to the rules relating to this. HM Louis XIII could sent a player on an expedition, make him governor of some far off colony, imprison a player for a time, or less severely, snub someone at a ball, deny access to court, etc.
How would it work in the game itself -- I have no idea.
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Post by Ymbert Montgomery on Feb 7, 2022 15:41:36 GMT
Since I am several levels below the highest players in the game, any changes will affect me many turns from now if they ever do. Ah, that's not the case. Note that the Chevalier cap also applies to non nobles, so you're the other main person affected! That said, I think removing the limitation of merchants not being allowed titles more than makes up for that. That's your current main barrier to climbing, not SL. Especially as you're in a better position than most to a) pay your modifiers up for any title attempts and b) buy titles outright. (Which makes sense for a merchant career). In case you missed it in the pile of rules, you'd have two choices with this. Keep your SL as is and have trouble writing. Drop two SLs and get 5 MRIs in exchange. In your case, I think this is by far the better option but it's up to you. It's likely to get you on the title ladder very quickly and you're obviously doing various non merchant things (RAS, theatre) that give you MRIs. In theory I like the idea. In practice, whenever I've seen it in another game it's just been a de facto cap with a narrative explanation. And in many ways it seems fairer to let people retire their characters with dignity than automatically have them IC punished for becoming important.
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Post by huillaume on Feb 7, 2022 15:50:37 GMT
Just one comment about that: AFAIK (and after looking for them in wikipedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_French_peerages) there have not been Archdukes in France (although I'vefound some reference to the Archduchy of Rheims, it was under its Archbishop). Were there Grand Dukes? If not, I think we can consider it an honorary rather than historical title! I'm not sure, but I guess thery were not as a distinct noble title, but more or less as the Grandes in Spain, that bei ng not a specific title, they have some protocol rights (as to keep their hat on or remai nsitting in presence of the King). See that in Spain, this was not tied to being a Duke (though it was the most usual), as "lower" noble titles could also be Grandes.
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Post by huillaume on Feb 7, 2022 15:53:34 GMT
Another question: here wil lbe an ySL cap for untitled characters (thought they would have problems to reach too high SL)?
I mean, I see a little odd to have a viscout SL capped to 18, and at the same time allowing a comoneer to reach higher SLs...
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Post by Ymbert Montgomery on Feb 7, 2022 15:54:17 GMT
Another question: here wil lbe an ySL cap for untitled characters (thought they would have problems to reach too high SL)? I mean, I see a little odd to have a viscout SL capped to 18, and at the same time allowing a comoneer to reach higher SLs... Oops, sorry, yes, same as Chevalier. (SL 14).
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Post by huillaume on Feb 7, 2022 16:56:49 GMT
Some points about specific numbers: At SL 20 or above it costs more to maintain (3x) or improve (5x) your SL. For other characters, they need their SL in SOs not to have the SL lowered, and trice more to raise it. IMHO, tripling them may be too hard. At the same time making the keeping SL and raising it closer ("only" SL x 2 difference). I'd suggest to change the SPs needed to keep SL to SL x 2 (instead of 3). As those points x1.5 is what's subtracted for SPs carried forward, this would mean only SPs over SL x 3 would be so... Example: - Jaques has SL 18. He needs 18 SPs to keep the SL, and 72 to raise it. If in this interval, those over 27 (18 x 1.5) would be carried forward
- Pierre has SL 22 - he needs 44 SPs to keep his SL, a nd 110 to raise it. If in the among thsoe thresholds, only those over 66 would be carried forward.
See also that the formula for SPs carried forwward at SL 20`should be changed ,as, rules as they are, they need SL x 5 to raise SL ,and this cost them SL x 3, with any point then oever SL x 2 would be. So, any Sp over the needed ones to raise SL would be carried forward... I nthe examples given, assuming both raise SL, Jaques would carry forward any SP over 90, so if he just accrues the 72, he wil lstart next turn with -18, while, as rules are now, Pierre would carry forward any Sp over 110, so if he just reaches them he wil lstart next turn at 0 SPs.. I'd suggest the cost to raise SL once over 20 to be raised to SL x 4, and start counting (for carrying forward) from there.
So ,they will be as per the folloing numbers: Current SL
| SPs to keep SL
| SPs to carry forward
| SPs to raise SL
| SPs to raise and take forward
| 19- | SL | SL x 2
| SL x 4
| SL x 5
| 20+ | SL x 2
| SL x 3
| SL x 5
| SL x 6
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