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Post by Ymbert Montgomery on Aug 31, 2021 0:06:46 GMT
These are just small rules changes on rules that have already been revised, as ideas and gaps come up.
Low alcohol/food parties now cost half the normal carousing costs. This is relevant to clergy, those with pious mistresses and those with pregnant mistresses. Largely this is just flavour; it didn't make sense to have toadying where everyone sat round neither eating or drinking. The only real difference it makes (aside from parties being marginally more expensive) is that Clergy can now get the carousing SP for half the price.
Change the marriage rules so the stag party is the responsibility of the best man. It's traditional.
Still finalising the numbers, but working on the SP for kids. It doesn't seem right that Arnold should get nothing at all for his daughter!
The estate income calculations don't seem quite right yet and need more work. It's a difficult balance between having estates actually matter and not wanting to make investment etc. pointless as nobles just live off the fat of the land.
Unless there's any big objections to any of those I'll stick them in the rulebook when they're done, which shouldn't take long.
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Post by jacques on Aug 31, 2021 2:53:08 GMT
Not sure that 17th century France knew correlation between alcohol and birth defects. So perhaps half cost carousing for pregnant mistresses ought to be pulled back.
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Post by Ymbert Montgomery on Aug 31, 2021 10:07:16 GMT
Good point. Maybe only in the last three months after pregnancy shows? At that point it's as much about avoiding nausea etc.
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Post by huillaume on Aug 31, 2021 12:55:41 GMT
Low alcohol/food parties now cost half the normal carousing costs. This is relevant to clergy, those with pious mistresses and those with pregnant mistresses. Largely this is just flavour; it didn't make sense to have toadying where everyone sat round neither eating or drinking. The only real difference it makes (aside from parties being marginally more expensive) is that Clergy can now get the carousing SP for half the price. I also believe the rules for balls should be modified (we already discussed them some months ago, but reached no modification), but I guess this will come as you keep updating the rules The estate income calculations don't seem quite right yet and need more work. It's a difficult balance between having estates actually matter and not wanting to make investment etc. pointless as nobles just live off the fat of the land. As I already stated, current ones are quite higher than I expected. See that the Comtée of Féols has a size 4. On average, this would mean a roll of 14, multiplied by the province value, that means 98 livres multiplied by tha result of the Admin roll. Asuuming an average of 3-4, that would mean about 300-400 lives/month. Is this too much? it's, of course, quite more than in original rules, where a Comte received his pension of 100 plain livres, and would allow Huillaume quite more economic stability than he's used to. OTOH, as I already stated too this is more consistent with the CharGen rules, as with former rules it was quite absurd that the son of a well-to-do Baron (who has a pension of 10 lv/month) were given an allowance of 50 lv/month, and, being not firstborn, the Baron would be maintaining another son at least... Another point is that those rules give sense to the land managers, as not is quite easier for them to be profitable. OTOH, as you say, investments and so are less important for such nobles, being more a matter for merchants and so. Historically? probably correct, from game balance POV? not so sure (but again, in a game where one can begin a sa very wealthy Duke or as the bastard son of a poor peasant, game balance is difficult to talk about..).
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Post by Ymbert Montgomery on Aug 31, 2021 13:26:00 GMT
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Post by Ymbert Montgomery on Aug 31, 2021 21:53:12 GMT
Done a Living Rulebook with the church updates and these alterations. I think the only vaguely controversial one is the estate incomes and that's not set in stone; basically that's beta until it feels right!
I've zipped the files as they were getting too big.
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Post by huillaume on Sept 1, 2021 11:09:45 GMT
Firs of all, sorry for not having realized this before, when theTitles pasrt was being discussed. I was reviewing the MRL list and I see a small problem: Several cases are listed with the following note: This is, IMHO, superfluous in all the case where only 1 MRL is given, as this one will be kept even if the character resigns (so the two asterisks in those cases could be deleted), and brings another problem: Let’s imagine this character has already rolled for Title (or is already considered for it, roll being due for the next month) and he resigns. How is this handled 1? So my suggestion for those cases would be: - For those giving a single MRL: as stated, just delete the note
- For those giving 2 MRLs: one is given upon being appointed, another at the end of the term
- For those giving 3 MRLs: as 2, buit another at mid-term
- For those giving 4 MRLs: 1 MRL each first month in a season he holds the office (the one being named included)
Note 1: BTW, can the accrued MRLs be negative, be due to this case or because more are lost than one had received?
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Post by huillaume on Oct 28, 2021 14:36:56 GMT
Errata on new living rulebook:
Page 79:
According the tables jsut below, it should be 0.5
The chapter name Military Medical Specialists section is duplicated, at page 121 and again at page 187. I nfact, those chapters talk about different aspects of it, but, IMHO, they should be unified in a single one...
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Post by Ymbert Montgomery on Oct 28, 2021 15:25:19 GMT
On the first well spotted. I know artists are mercenary but measuring their qualifications in monetary terms is a bit much.
On the latter, assume that anything after the rewritten section (currently up to patronage) is going to contain duplicates and errors until it's done. In the case of conflicts, the new section will always be the correct one.
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Post by huillaume on Nov 18, 2021 18:39:54 GMT
I know I'm a little late to the party (forgive me the pun), but some questions arised when I was planing for next turn (there will be a mix with clubs/toadying on them):
1) See that in 8.2 (or the whole chapter 8, for what's worth) it is not specified the advantages to toady a different SL player... While it is specified that toadying a same SL character gives 1 SP to each of them, the fact (I guess assumed by all from the original and previosu Liminal rules) that the toader (is this the word?) gets 1/2 SL difference in SPs is not written there...
And even this is not exact, as original rules don't talk about toadying or being toadied, but about higher and lower Sl characters... As in Liminal this works about toader and toaded characters, how are SPs for the higher SL character if he toadies a lower SL one?
Let's give a specific case, likely to appear this turn:
Should Huillaume be invited to Baron Bonnet and VV wedding (I guess that can be expected, as Baron Bonnet is his Regimental brother, and Valerie is Emelin's secretary), it would be impolite (I guess) to be the Guest of Honor in a wedding. So, given the letter of the rules (and assuming thie 1/2 of SL difference is kept), Huillaume being SL 24 and Baron Bonnet 15, Huillaume would lose 4 SPs (half of 15-24, so -4.5, rounded up to -4), and Baron Bonnet would lose 2 SPs (as it goes for difference of SL, despite it being positive or negative)! Of course, the easier way to avoid this is by Huillaume specifying tha the does not toady Baron Bonnet, but I don't see this in the spirit of the rules...
So, my suggestion would be that, while keeping the toading/toader discrimination (and so alloing only to toady a single character ,but being toadied by many), use the higher/lower SL for SPs allocation, representing the fact the lower character is seen in company of hte higher level one, despite who is toadying whom.
2) Is there the possibility to organize a Grand Ball at any of the clubs (I don't expect it for the lower level ones)?
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Post by Ymbert Montgomery on Nov 18, 2021 22:21:27 GMT
And even this is not exact, as original rules don't talk about toadying or being toadied, but about higher and lower Sl characters... As in Liminal this works about toader and toaded characters, how are SPs for the higher SL character if he toadies a lower SL one? That needs adding. The higher SL character loses the difference in SLs in SP and the lower level character gains it. So if a SL 14 character toadies to a SL 6 character they lose 8 SP and the lower SL character gains 6 SP. Weddings are arguably the most complicated situation here. A few points: Weddings don't involve toadying so Hulluame can attend that (and bring gifts if he wishes) without any kind of issue. It's only the wedding reception (mechanically identical to a party) where this issue could arise. Any toadying would be to Valerie, not Henri. (The rule here is that you always toady to PCs where one is available, in the same way people don't toady to mistresses if they're higher SL). If Hulluame attends the reception, the following rule is automatically in effect: "For a party, the host automatically allows guests to toady, and guests automatically toady to the host (or the guest-of-honour if of a higher SL)." The "of a higher SL" is redundant now and I need to take it out. If you and Valerie both order that you're guest of honour you are. But note that, importantly, you can't turn up not as guest of honour without toadying. So there are two possible situations there: If Hulluame turns up and toadies to VV she'll gain 10 SP and you'll lose 10 SP. Which I'm sure she'd be very happy with, but would be incredibly generous of you! If you're guest of honour, she'd toady to you (5 SP to her, -2 SP to you) but note that so would any other guests automatically! The thinking there is that the reception is less of a religious event, so you turning up would be slumming it. Henri might be your regimental brother, but it's still the equivalent of the CEO of a company turning up to the reception of one of his factor workers. I'm inclined to say no for three reasons. Firstly, even the Fleur de Lys is still a club and realistically wouldn't have a ballroom floor. Secondly, the new rules are a deliberate attempt to make home and club parties different. Finally, a major reason for them is to give overly rich characters something to spend money on and letting you do them from a club would run counter to that!
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Post by huillaume on Nov 19, 2021 0:40:05 GMT
If you're guest of honour, she'd toady to you (5 SP to her, -2 SP to you) but note that so would any other guests automatically! As Huillaume thinks the guest of honor in a wedding must be the groom (bride in this case), he could not accept that... Henri might be your regimental brother, but it's still the equivalent of the CEO of a company turning up to the reception of one of his factor workers. If you mean Huillaume is still Henri's commander (as Commander of the Guards he is), things are even a little more complex (how not, with Huillaume involved ), as Henri is a Brevet Brigadier General, while Huillame is not... But I understand what you mean.
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Post by huillaume on Dec 13, 2021 15:31:34 GMT
Some comments about the court attendance:
We already agreed (in PMs) that carousing is not allowed in Government meetings (as drunken government decisions would not be good), and I would suggest gambling also to be excluded from them (they are working meetings, after all, and I guess gambling would be seen out of place).
I also think carousing and gambling should be excluded from Parliaments (be them City or Provincial) too, for the same reasons.
Of course, in Balls, Envoy meetings and Hunts (where the hunt was only a small part of the social event time) they would be allowed, as those are social events without any working meaning. When the main action is to Adress Troops I lean towards also allowing them, as those are military events, and both "activites" were quite popular among military men...
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Post by Ymbert Montgomery on Dec 13, 2021 17:05:14 GMT
Those are all valid points, but court is due for a total rewrite anyway!
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Post by huillaume on Dec 19, 2021 18:26:09 GMT
32.8: From the Merchant tables for a horse specialist, if Emporium:
This really does not match with the horses races resolution system as explained in 29.22...
Suggestion:
To change the race system to each horse rolling 1d100 (open ended, as in MERP or Rolemaster, if you want more variable results) and add SR to it. Of course, higher one wins, second higher one ,places, and so on. If ties, determine winner by random (but you can talk about very close, even controversial, result in the press).
I even believe this can make resolution easier, as you don't need to recalculate the odds each position, just one roll (two of this merchant bonus applies) per horse (and maybe another for ties, exceptionaly more than one)...
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