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Post by Ymbert Montgomery on Sept 20, 2020 1:58:33 GMT
There's two separate parts to this discussion.
Mistress Influence
I know several of you have expressed to me that you dislike the fact that to be mechanically optimal you have to leave a trail of broken hearts in your wake.
My suggestion:
Mistress influence is broken down into its component parts, but unlike male PCs they can now save it up. SL 10 mistress would have 1 influence per season. Which would be the same as a level 3 influence yearly. A mistress can hold a maximum number of 10 favours and can use multiple low level influences on the same action (which actually buffs them a bit).
When courted unattached mistresses have saved 1d3 favours (1d6 in the case of influential mistresses). Determined when successfully courted.
Female PCs may save up their influence and their beau influence renews seasonly.
What do people think?
I know Gaston has an alternative suggestion and others may also have a completely new idea!
Mistress Attributes
Would people like NPCs to have attributes for Dance, Etiquette etc. to flesh them out? If so, at this stage just express an interest. Happy to flesh this out but I think it's best to see if people like the idea.
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Post by Monique Adelina De'Ath on Sept 20, 2020 1:59:52 GMT
I am happy with the above proposals.
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Post by huillaume on Sept 20, 2020 13:04:26 GMT
Mistress AttributesWould people like NPCs to have attributes for Dance, Etiquette etc. to flesh them out? If so, at this stage just express an interest. Happy to flesh this out but I think it's best to see if people like the idea. I'm in favor of this point, but I'd make them only to affect beau/misstress' attributes as superior BRs affect players' MA.
e.g.; Renné (dancing 4, Etiquette 3) attends a ball with his mistress Anne (dancing 2, etiquette 6). Anne rolls for a result of 5 in dancing and 2 in etiquette, so Renné's effective dancing is 3 (as Anne keeps stepping on his feet), but etiquette 4 (as Anne plitely fixes any "faux pas" he does) |
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Post by Jacques Bougiedure on Sept 20, 2020 17:50:32 GMT
I would like to see an ability "bump" based on the NPC's abilities, similar to the bump that a commander receives for an adjutant with an MA two higher.
In Huillaume's example, no die roll would be needed for Anne but Renne would have an effective Etiquette skill of 4. His Dancing skill would be unaffected.
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Post by huillaume on Sept 20, 2020 18:49:28 GMT
That's another good option and makes turn resolution less dice heavy, but I keep believing if the mistress/beau is too low in his/her skill, the player's ability should be lowered (a gommander may ignore his aide, but a dancer may not ignore his/her partner in dancing). Two more suggestions about this: - a possibility (loyalty check?) for a vindicative mistress (not sure if beaus can also be) to reverse any bonus (beware the vengeance of a vindicative mistress)
- should someone going to a ball with a dame from lady slippery as a partner (e.g. he has no mistress), to give the possibility to ask specifically for una with high skills (for a bonus price, of course)
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Post by Ymbert Montgomery on Sept 20, 2020 21:15:18 GMT
That'd work, but I was actually thinking of just letting mistresses roll for dance etc. SP as well? It would add a bit more potential SP but would mostly cancel itself out.
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Post by huillaume on Sept 21, 2020 17:29:07 GMT
That'd work, but I was actually thinking of just letting mistresses roll for dance etc. SP as well? It would add a bit more potential SP but would mostly cancel itself out. While I understand this, I see two advantages to coltreadhead's proposal: - less dice roll heavy (and probably easier for the GM) turn resolution
- more protagonism for the players, as the NPCs are abilities' modifiers, not different actions
If the game must center on the PCs, the second point shoulkd not be ignored, IMHO. |
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Post by Ymbert Montgomery on Sept 25, 2020 22:10:51 GMT
Draft Mistress rules (with help from a previous conversation with Gaston) Mistress BackgroundA mistress's father depends on their Starting SL. To calculate a Mistresses background, the following table is used. 3-4 Peasant 5-6 Merchant 7-11 Gentleman 12-13 Chevalier 14 Baron 15 Vicomte 16 Count 17 Marquis 18 Duc A d6 is then rolled for variation with 1-2 dropping a rank, 3-4 as above, 5-6 rising a rank. In other words a Mistress of SL 12 would be the daughter of a Gentleman on 1-2, of a Chevalier on 3-4 and of a Baron on 5-6. The "noble" attribute is now "titled" and is rolled for in the same way and has the extra SP benefit and the courting restrictions. This would now mean that she's an orphaned 1st daughter and has picked up the the title (ie 'titled' as you say). Titled ladies would be picky about who they consorted with, but the dower-less younger daughters of noble families would take what they could get. AttributesMistresses now have an Etiquette, Dancing and Adminstration Attribute as follows.
| Etiquette
| Dancing
| Adminstration
| Music
| Peasant
| 2d6L
| 2d6L
| 2d6H
| 1d6
| Merchant
| 2d6H
| 2d6H
| 3D6H
| 1d6
| Gentleman
| 2d6H
| 2D6H
| 2d6H
| 1d6
| Noble
| 3d6H
| 3D6H
| 1d6
| 1d6
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It should be noted these are more generous than starting stats for gentlemen to make mistresses less likely to mess you up. However, you will not know a Mistress' attributes until after courting her!
Etiquette is used in the same way as a male character, for use at court etc. Any bonus SPs are given to her beau. A mistress in a play will now add to the success or otherwise of that play.
The same is true of Dancing. Music will only apply for operas.
A Mistress can be asked to oversee a character's estates for free. A wife will automaticlly do so, a mistress will only do so on a loyalty roll. If a 6 is rolled
there is a 1 in 2 chance she will end the relationship in outrage!
It is also possible to send a Mistress to finishing school. Naturally, her beau will have to pay for this but the Mistress will have +1 Loyalty in the month that takes place.
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Post by Ymbert Montgomery on Sept 25, 2020 22:11:39 GMT
What do people think?
I've decided to keep rolling for Mistresses, mostly because it allows them to earn people a few more SP at higher SLs.
Also, anyone with a noble mistress will naturally have it converted automatically!
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Post by huillaume on Sept 28, 2020 10:38:50 GMT
I understand 3d6H means the higher of 3d6 (as for 2d6H). RIght? Influences:I'm not sure I understood the influence issue (and in the rules it stays as before): Mistress influence is broken down into its component parts, but unlike male PCs they can now save it up. SL 10 mistress would have 1 influence per season. Which would be the same as a level 3 influence yearly. I understand the seasonal influence would be 1, so, in a year, as there will be 4 level 1 influences , they could be used as 4 favors level 1, 2 level 2 (or 2 level 1 and 1 level 2) or 1 favor level 3. So, the seasonal influence is 2 less thatn the yearly one. If so, to renew the equivalent to a level 8 yearly, the seasonal favor would be 6, as with 4 favors 6 you can make a level 8. Right? This also arises several questions (numbered to ease answer): - How does this affect the influential mistresses? Do they give two seasonal influences (of different level if they so are at her SL) or just may accumulate more of them?
- If the latter, how does this affect current such mistresses with unused influences
- What happens if a mistress increases her SL so that her influence increases? Does she have a saved influence at the former level and the new ones at the new level?
Example: Emelin (influential) was in june SL 16 (so influence 7/8). He used her favor 8, so, if I understood well, in September, having raised her SL to 17, she would receive a favor 7 if it must be the equivalent to a 9 yearly.
Should she had used her favor 7 in june, in September she would receive a favor 6, but if by December she had raised her Sl to 19, the favor received there should be 7.Is the example right? If so, I’d suggest to change the table in the rules to reflect the seasonal favor. See that this means a bit more of bookkeeping… Also, see that there are instances where two lesser favors are better than a higher one ( e.g.; you want to influence a governor, that needs a favor 5. Two favors 6 give you a +4, while one favor 7 gives you a +3), so giving it more advantage to the players… |
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Post by Ymbert Montgomery on Sept 28, 2020 14:18:10 GMT
I understand 3d6H means the higher of 3d6 (as for 2d6H). RIght? Correct. That's all right. The former, which I think answers everything else? Example: Emelin (influential) was in june SL 16 (so influence 7/8). He used her favor 8, so, if I understood well, in September, having raised her SL to 17, she would receive a favor 7 if it must be the equivalent to a 9 yearly.
Should she had used her favor 7 in june, in September she would receive a favor 6, but if by December she had raised her Sl to 19, the favor received there should be 7.Is the example right?[/quote] That's right. Definitely; this discussion was started after the last draft was out. This is definitely more to the advantage of the players and deliberately so. I did consider going with the Sun King version if people think it's overpowered, but otherwise I think this should make mistresses more important. |
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Post by huillaume on Sept 28, 2020 17:24:11 GMT
The former, which I think answers everything else? Partially... About question 3 (and not only about influential mistresses, but about any mistress with unspent influences, BTW), the question is: do they keep their current unspent influence or it is exchanged by several favors of level -2 (as the ones she'll receive each season)? |
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Post by Ymbert Montgomery on Sept 28, 2020 18:31:26 GMT
Partially... About question 3 (and not only about influential mistresses, but about any mistress with unspent influences, BTW), the question is: do they keep their current unspent influence or it is exchanged by several favors of level -2 (as the ones she'll receive each season)? They keep their unspent influence, but any new influence given will be at the new level, not the old yearly level. |
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Post by huillaume on Oct 6, 2020 10:08:57 GMT
It is also possible to send a Mistress to finishing school. Naturally, her beau will have to pay for this but the Mistress will have +1 Loyalty in the month that takes place. I understand this can be done any week the character is not with his mistress or any week he also goes to such school. Is that right? If so, can it be done when the PC is out (e.g. to war)? there's a limit, in this instance, of how many weeks can he send his misress to school (aside fro mthe 4 weeks a month has, of course)? |
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Post by Ymbert Montgomery on Oct 6, 2020 10:45:48 GMT
That's correct. And technically not, but if people start sending their mistress to school for months at a time she may make a loyalty roll!
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