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Post by Yves Eau on Apr 29, 2020 20:56:27 GMT
I don't understand this. Maybe I have missed a rule change. (Quite possible, since I am concentrating on the sections more relevant to Yves.)
I thought a brevet or brigadier can be promoted only whilst commanding a brigade, and would then be a full brigadier; this would not make him ineligible to continue in that role.
A full brigadier cannot win a promotion whilst commanding a brigade. If he is promoted whilst leading a division, to full lt. gen. (or whatever it's called now), that's the same as above, and he continues.
I am assuming, of course, that a brevet promotion leaves you effectively with both ranks, so you can hold an appointment appropriate for either (or, at the very least, retain one you already have at what becomes your full rank).
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Post by Father William Souris on Apr 29, 2020 21:06:22 GMT
A full Brigadier can be promoted to Brevet (whatever it is) general rank bu remains commanding the Brigade.
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Post by Ymbert Montgomery on Apr 29, 2020 21:23:39 GMT
A full Brigadier can be promoted to Brevet (whatever it is) general rank bu remains commanding the Brigade. This is the case. What's possible is that a Brigadier General gets two promotions on a campaign raising him to Marshal de Camp. |
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Post by Father William Souris on Apr 29, 2020 21:28:42 GMT
But can he be so raised, given he has to command a Division to get comfirmed as Divisional commander in orginal EnGarde!
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Post by Yves Eau on Apr 29, 2020 22:35:00 GMT
Since he can be promoted again only if acting as division commander, and would then remain in command of the higher unit, the only situation I can think of where this could be a problem is: - a bvt. lt. gen. holds an appointment as brigade commander (commensurate with his permanent rank)
- the division commander is killed, so the brigadier steps in as acting commander
- he is promoted whilst leading the division, and as full lt. gen. must relinquish his brigade command appointment
- someone else secures the appointment as division commander
- he is left with no military command, and must return to Paris
How likely is that? If it ever crops up, you could rule that no applications for the vacant division command will be accepted until the end of the campaign.
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Post by huillaume on Apr 29, 2020 22:42:09 GMT
A full Brigadier can be promoted to Brevet (whatever it is) general rank bu remains commanding the Brigade. As said elsewhere, I miss the promotion rules of this version, and former ones were not clear, but in the original rules, if a Brevet Brigadier had to serve in an apropiate post to be promoted, but if he was, he became a full Brigadier and Brevel Lt General. From Original Rules, under Brevet ranks: So, a full Brigadier is already a Brevet Lt General in the Original Rules (but can keep commanding a brigade until his Lt General rank is confirmed. |
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Post by Ymbert Montgomery on Apr 29, 2020 22:43:20 GMT
That's been cahnged. Current rules:
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Post by gaston on Apr 29, 2020 23:53:05 GMT
Of course he can. A full brigadier is promoted to Bvt Marshal de Camp. MdC is too high a rank to command a brigade so, according option 1 he immediately gets shipped back home... |
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Post by Ymbert Montgomery on Apr 30, 2020 0:07:28 GMT
Of course he can. A full brigadier is promoted to Bvt Marshal de Camp. MdC is too high a rank to command a brigade so, according option 1 he immediately gets shipped back home... Hence my suggestion that this doesn't apply to command positions currently on campaign, only on their return. (I think if this does go in that amendment seems to be generally good with people on both sides of the argument?) |
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Post by gaston on Apr 30, 2020 7:29:01 GMT
Of course he can. A full brigadier is promoted to Bvt Marshal de Camp. MdC is too high a rank to command a brigade so, according option 1 he immediately gets shipped back home... Hence my suggestion that this doesn't apply to command positions currently on campaign, only on their return. (I think if this does go in that amendment seems to be generally good with people on both sides of the argument?) OK, fair enough. My only question would be... Why institute a rule in full knowledge that exceptions will have to made to it rather than a rule which covers all eventualities from the off ? |
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Post by Yves Eau on Apr 30, 2020 8:23:01 GMT
So the rules have changed; in the original rules, he was already a brevet at the next rank. But a brevet marshal is still a brigadier, right? It reads that way. So I see no problem, as his appointment (brigadier) is still appropriate to his permanent rank.
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Post by Ymbert Montgomery on Apr 30, 2020 9:17:52 GMT
OK, fair enough. My only question would be... Why institute a rule in full knowledge that exceptions will have to made to it rather than a rule which covers all eventualities from the off ? Largely because I think the issus is mostly (at least currently) arising at lower levels. |
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Post by gaston on Apr 30, 2020 10:02:49 GMT
Yes, but Bvt. Marechal de Camp is nevertheless above the minimum rank requirement for Brigade command, and five out of the seven voters above have decreed that the Brigadier should lose his command as a result. Depends how many loopholes you're prepared to add, I guess... Well, the lower level appointments are already more difficult for those eligible to secure (less influence available) so I'm still not sure that making them far easier to lose as well (so that the benefit of having them is severely limited) is such a good idea. No skin off my nose though. Maybe I should just rename Helen 'Cassandra'  |
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