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Post by Ymbert Montgomery on Apr 26, 2020 13:03:56 GMT
(Thanks to Gaston for these rules. I really like them).
Carousing is mandatory when toadying.
However, when carousing any roll above 10 on the Drunkenness Table is counted as 10 and any roll below 4 is counted as 4. This means that the worst thing that can happen to a character is giving cause for a duel but at the other end of the scale he won't pick any favours or more than 2 extra SPs.
A character will get drunk on a roll of 10+ and a mistress will get drunk on 11+.
There is no immunity to the drunkenness table for characters at court, Bothwells etc.
In addition to normal carousing, however, characters can take things a step further at their own expense (bottle of Dutch Gin down their britches or something) and indulge in _Roistering_. Roistering is Carousing-Large, costs the character's SL in Livres (over and above carousing costs) and must be paid for the character's mistress as well if she is present. Roistering gives the character two extra SP but throws on the Drunkenness Table (for both character an mistress) are no longer amended. If roistering is part of toadying you have to pay a cost of the SL of the person you're toadying to.
Spies may feign roistering as well as carousing.
Characters may choose to host events where roistering is mandatory. This is the case for any events held by the Crown Prince (it doesn't apply if he turns up unexpectedly to a party, owner's box etc.)
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Post by gaston on Apr 26, 2020 13:51:12 GMT
Rather than the one extra SP for Carousing? I can't remember what was decided...
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Post by Ymbert Montgomery on Apr 26, 2020 13:55:22 GMT
I think my view was that it should be an extra 2 SP across the board along with carousing (so 3), yours was unless the drunkneness table comes into play.
(There I think the dangers justify an extra 2 SP).
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Post by huillaume on Apr 26, 2020 14:37:24 GMT
I frankly don't fully like the changes.
It makes toadying a quite risky activinty, as not only it makes carousing mandatory for it, but increases (doubles for male characters, triples for female ones) the chances to become drunk.
IMHO, toadying should represent one of the keys of the game: having social life among gentlemen (or women), not among a bunch of drunkyards, and carousing, understood as drinking to the point to risk drunkness, should not be a prerequisite. Socializing with one's peers should not always include drinking.
Also, I understand private parties or court events are no longer safe in this sense, the risk of being affected by the drunkness table being now in both cases... This would likely make the Royal Balls to be known by their drunkness, as it's nearly sure someone will become so (and no longer be covered, as I understood this imunity as being covered, not as not occurrying).
Finally, one question about Roistering: if engaging on it, drunkness is automatic, or just the table not limited to results 4-10?
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Post by gaston on Apr 26, 2020 19:09:04 GMT
A lot of games stipulate that 'Carousing is mandatory when toadying' and this was something Sam wished to see in Liminal. Having said that some games stipulate
Maybe this would address Huillaume's main concern ?
Having the restricted outcomes on the Drunkenness table for carousing does mean that nothing more serious than losing a couple of SPs or a little cash is possible - there will be no surprising visits to a jail cell or the front - so I don't see that it's going to be anything which characters can't comfortable take in their stride ?
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Post by Ymbert Montgomery on Apr 26, 2020 21:01:03 GMT
A lot of games stipulate that 'Carousing is mandatory when toadying' and this was something Sam wished to see in Liminal. Having said that some games stipulate Maybe this would address Huillaume's main concern ? Having the restricted outcomes on the Drunkenness table for carousing does mean that nothing more serious than losing a couple of SPs or a little cash is possible - there will be no surprising visits to a jail cell or the front - so I don't see that it's going to be anything which characters can't comfortable take in their stride ? That would work for me. It would also allow for "dry" parties. Which makes sense; Father Adam insisting everyone gets drunk would be a bit weird! I think the other main thing to address Hullaume's concerns is that carousing is no longer mandatory at Royal Balls. |
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Post by Ymbert Montgomery on Apr 26, 2020 22:37:53 GMT
Finally, one question about Roistering: if engaging on it, drunkness is automatic, or just the table not limited to results 4-10? It's just the table not limited. (That said, on reflection I think 2-3 and 11-12 should be a reroll, otherwise the results 3 and 11 are too likely) |
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Post by Yves Eau on Apr 26, 2020 23:54:58 GMT
Would a reroll mean most likely a bland outcome? That seems boring. 1 in 18 chance of a 3 or 11 is not highly likely. If the consequences seem too harsh, maybe make these rolls lead to a further roll to decide between bad (but not necessarily terrible) outcomes, rather than rolling again across the whole spectrum, giving a possibility of an entirely tedious (or opposite) result.
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Post by Ymbert Montgomery on Apr 27, 2020 0:04:56 GMT
I mistyped on that.
Only a reroll when carousing, not roistering. (Because doubling the chance of results 4 and 10 is going to get silly. Why are all the mistresses extra flirty?)
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Post by gaston on Apr 27, 2020 7:42:12 GMT
Only a reroll when carousing, not roistering. (Because doubling the chance of results 4 and 10 is going to get silly. Why are all the mistresses extra flirty?) Same thing had occurred to me. Maybe just count rolls of 2-3 and 11-12 as 'no effect', to counteract the increased chances of consulting the Drunkenness Table ? |
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