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Post by Loic Galopin on Mar 24, 2020 23:44:47 GMT
IMPORTANT: The poll is currently tied and reliant on a completion method to decide. It would be far preferable if that wasn't the case. If you haven't voted, please do so. If you know another player who needs prodding, please prod them! Don't tell me I'm going to have to vote again! This will be the seventeenth time!
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Post by Yves Eau on Mar 25, 2020 9:13:39 GMT
I read the voting site's notes on Condorcet. I would not have fancied counting one of these elections before computers.
As I understand it now, the result after nine votes was not dependent on a completion method: there was a Condorcet winner. Now, however, two options are tied head-to-head, so a completion method is required to separate them. To make matters worse, not all completion methods produce the same result, and none was specified before we started. Oh, and three options each have three first preference votes.
Apparently, Condorcet works best when there are many voters. So, please, bring any recently-deceased electors to the polling station, and let their voices be heard!
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Post by Monique Adelina De'Ath on Mar 25, 2020 9:17:32 GMT
Am I allowed to vote 3 more times then, on behalf of my recently deceased 3 characters?! That is of course if something untoward doesn't befall Claud this turn and I am onto character 5!
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Post by Ymbert Montgomery on Mar 25, 2020 12:33:38 GMT
I read the voting site's notes on Condorcet. I would not have fancied counting one of these elections before computers. As I understand it now, the result after nine votes was not dependent on a completion method: there was a Condorcet winner. Now, however, two options are tied head-to-head, so a completion method is required to separate them. To make matters worse, not all completion methods produce the same result, and none was specified before we started. Oh, and three options each have three first preference votes. Apparently, Condorcet works best when there are many voters. So, please, bring any recently-deceased electors to the polling station, and let their voices be heard! No, the result after nine was also reliant on completion; you can tell because it was in red!
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Post by Ymbert Montgomery on Mar 25, 2020 12:37:19 GMT
(Worth noting that FPTP would have had similar issues here; it's because it's a close vote)
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Post by Loic Galopin on Mar 25, 2020 13:34:06 GMT
(Worth noting that FPTP would have had similar issues here; it's because it's a close vote) Not saying anything, not saying anything, not saying anything.
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Post by Yves Eau on Mar 29, 2020 10:21:12 GMT
Clear as mud.
Any word from the returning officer on this controversial result?
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Post by Ymbert Montgomery on Mar 29, 2020 10:47:02 GMT
Oops, sorry, yes, I think we're going to have to go with minimax. (All the other completion methods get the same result anyway).
Abilities go up by 0.25 on a roll of 5 or 6.
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Post by Yves Eau on Mar 29, 2020 13:33:52 GMT
The other completion methods all call it a tie, so I agree it is fair to use the dissenting opinion to decide the winner.
[Sneaks towards the University under cover of darkness, rolling a large barrel.]
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Post by huillaume on Mar 29, 2020 14:25:17 GMT
Forgive me to reopen the can of worms, but I have some questions yet (numbered to ease answers): - How will this affect expertise in duels?
- Can an ability be so increased more than a single time in a month? (e.g: in a lucky turn, Huillaume attands a Royal Ball, and Embassy ball, and spends two weeks making two paints, tolling 5-6 in both dancing rolls, both etiquette rolls and both AA rolls, whould he increase 0.5 ( 0.25 twice) each in dancing, etiquette and AA?)
- I guess this will begin applying next tuen, this one being done with former rules, Right?
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Post by Ymbert Montgomery on Mar 29, 2020 15:27:14 GMT
1. It won't. Duels are still under the old rules because they operate on a 3-18 scale.
2. That's a good question. I'm inclined to say one rise a month (but several potential rolls making it more likely) unless anyone thinks otherwise?
3. It will apply this turn. (As it works to people's advantage I don't think that's an issue).
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Post by Loic Galopin on Mar 29, 2020 16:39:53 GMT
2. That's a good question. I'm inclined to say one rise a month (but several potential rolls making it more likely) unless anyone thinks otherwise? Maybe the second, and subsequent if that's possible, should only give an increase on another di(c)e roll? Or only give a proportion of the benefit for the second increase ( 0.25 + (0.25 x 0.25), resulting in an increase of 0.3125, actually looks a bit mean to me, but what do I know). I don't think one rise a month is at all unreasonable though.
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Post by gaston on Mar 29, 2020 16:55:23 GMT
Forgive me to reopen the can of worms, but I have some questions yet (numbered to ease answers):
- Can an ability be so increased more than a single time in a month? (e.g: in a lucky turn, Huillaume attands a Royal Ball, and Embassy ball, and spends two weeks making two paints, tolling 5-6 in both dancing rolls, both etiquette rolls and both AA rolls, whould he increase 0.5 ( 0.25 twice) each in dancing, etiquette and AA?)
There would only be one roll for painting - works take a minimum of 2 weeks. If an artist spent the whole month painting (completing two, 2-week works) i don't see why he shouldn't make two rolls and have a chance for improvement for each. Regards the Balls, between Royal Balls, PC hosted balls and, if the ToH rules are being followed, Embassy Balls (which will take place every month outside of the Summer)there could conceivably be up to four balls taking place each month. A maximum of 1 skill rise per month for Etiquette and/or Dancing seems reasonable.
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Post by Yves Eau on Mar 29, 2020 18:10:38 GMT
I agree with Gaston. If you dedicate yourself to your art, you should have every chance of progressing. On the other hand, gaining multiple increases for activities which, in my opinion, are intended primarily to provide SP, seems too generous. Dancing at a ball would surely be far more frivolous, and far less likely to lead to improvement than rehearsing with fellow professionals. Capping the monthly chances rather than messing with the odds seems a simple and reasonable approach.
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Post by huillaume on Mar 30, 2020 16:39:38 GMT
Two more questions (and another can of worms):
When do increases take effect? immediatly or at the end of the turn?
I mean, let's assume Rénné has a dancing ability of 5.75, and he attends two balls this month. In the first one, he rolls a 6 (so increasing his ability by 0.25, to 6). Which ability will he use in the second one, 5.75 (so 5) or 6?
And another question, can abilities be decreased (As in original Liminal rules)? If so, how?
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